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graham

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LUNCH-TIME DEBATE

 Are Christians the UK’s New ‘Marginalised Minority’?

 Tuesday 5th October, 1pm

 Michaelhouse, Trinity Street, CB2 1SU

 FREE ENTRY

I'm going, is anyone else interested?

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This website appears to have all the action of a sleepy Cambridge village but unlike other websites has none of the nasty invective that is sometimes associated with them.so in the hope of a polite reply to the basic question you have set yourself......did you find out whether Christians are the UK marginalized minority or was it more likely a load of media staged rubbish.As i have mentioned on another posting this modern obsession with religion( is i repeat a thousand times) media driven.The vast majority of people I know could not care less about the supposed debate between secular values and religion.The real values of this country are rampant materialism,egoism,selfishness..etc......In the so called society that we live in there are things occurring which were unheard decades ago.IE elderly people dead in their homes undiscovered for weeks..... people with learning problems being killed by thugs on their own doorsteps....all manner of things that would scare people who are vulnerable.I hope you have some sense of what I'm getting at. BERNARD


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Sleepy is a bit harsh but perhaps we should plead guilty to inactivity!

Many here feel strongly about the still privileged position of religion in UK society and some may sympathise with your views on society in general. As for the meeting I was unable to attend due to work pressures so I cannot report on the quality of the debate.

Of course many “serious” Christians feel marginalised because their influence has been diluted, but more by multiculturalism than secularism, more’s the pity. You are right that most folks are not interested in religion or secularism so I regard our job as trying to chip away at religion wherever we can and raise the profile whenever we can. 



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You have pointed out the media-obsession with religion, which seems to have taken place since 9/11, but seem to be guilty of accepting their other headline-grabber - "society is awful now, feral kids, materialism, lack of Christian morals etc etc".  If you look at writings going back through the centuries, every generation seems to feel the same way.  I even found a commentary from Roman times which could have been written today except for the language used! 

Ignoring the generalisations used about 'society', how many people do you know who attack vulnerable people and how many are kind people who fetch milk for elderly neighbours when the weather is bad and feed their cat when they are away?  Kindness doesn't sell papers.  Our society is vastly better than at any other time, in spite of what you read about individual cases.  Our children are educated (rather than working in factories and mines) and can forge a career for themselves, we have free health care and welfare provision, we don't execute petty criminals, we don't lock people up in mental institutions for 'crimes' such as having a baby outside marriage and scientific advances mean we live longer and healthier lives.  We are free to create meaning within our own lives and to love who we want.

In my opinion, if you look for the good in people, you will find it.  If you look for the bad, you will find that too.  That's the same regardless of religion.

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I agree with you Jessie, we see the world not as it is but through our own personal filter. Having said that of course some do have very negative life experiences that understandably colours their view. 
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Bernard,

Are you a reader of "The Daily Mail" perchance?

You seem to think this is a new phenomena, this "hyper-violent" society we live in.
Doubtless its the lack of God and the prevalence of violent video games that are the cause.

I agree with Jessie, do not be convinced by all that the papers tell you, especially this muck rag above.

It also helps to understand the evolution of the media itself to help understand this apparent societal descent into madness.

Violent crime has always been an issue, (Jack The Ripper anyone?) as for old people dying alone, I can't find statistics on that particular figure going back in history, but I'd be surprised if it was a new phenomenon. People have always died alone, and one sometimes wonders at the possible family dynamics of those people we read about.
Could be the reason they were unattended for a long period of time is in life they were thoroughly unpleasant? Food for thought.

Traditional print is dying. Circulation of all news papers are going down across the board.
Most people of my age and younger get their news from the internet (I can't even remember the last time I bought a paper, maybe 9/11?)

This causes an issue. Papers are funded on advertising revenue, if they reach less readers, companies pay less (and divert the increased proportion of their advertising budget to TV/on-line advertising.) less money means less wages, less journalists outputting more copy, more quantity less quality; "Churnilism" if you will. It means less fact checking, and less stories on what we need to know (Global warming, political corruption.) and more what the Great British public wants to know (scanning my local newsagents; apparently Princess Diana, Jordan, Kerry Katona, X-Factor and "Immigrants". I despair!!)

It's also why you'll see news that's pertinent at particular time. For example, I'll bet you a tenner there will be no stories on UV caused skin cancer, at least until after the spring equinox/ first early heatwave. Then, look for the story. And on the following page, Viola! An advertisement for sun block!.

Best way of selling a product is you don't sell the product, you sell the fear of life without the product. I always look at papers and try and see who would benefit from the publication of a particular story.

It's a well known fact that fear sells. And so does sex. Hence the "Daily Mails" apparent crusade to subdivide all known stuff into cures/causes cancer. It's not hard to correlate an increase in negative press to the effort to maintain sales.

Statistically, your going to live longer than your parents, your children will live longer than you. This is the best society that has ever existed, you will have the healthiest life of your whole linage, and our biggest challenge is not rectifying the decline of religion, that would be stepping in the wrong direction. Its going to be counteracting global warming, if we as a global society beat that? We are Golden.

My Advice? Stop reading papers, (especially the mail) you'll feel much more cheerful. And allow religion to decrease its presence to homes and places of worship (not state funded.) and most of all don't be led to believe an increase in religious presence is a cure for all the ills you see. It's not.
 
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dear all,as you may or may not believe from reading my previous postings I do not base any of my opinions on society with regards to the rubbish supplied by the media.I certainly do not read the daily mail and I do not base any of my opinions on their headline grabbing rubbish as Jesse seems to suggest.....there are many ways you can form your own personal opinion on society-IE your own experiences,the experiences of your relatives,work colleagues,friends,neighbours and the hundred and one other ways you can gather information.I agree with you all that society is better than at any other time in every way you mentioned progress has been made but at a personal level IE the way people relate to one another has regressed at an alarmingly quick rate......there is plenty of evidence to show that the much valued good neighbourliness is declining and that life on the streets is almost completely unrecognizable from a decade ago.This is an opinion held by many and you do not have to ascribe to any so called christian morality you could just as well ascribe to humanistic values and come to the same conclusion.(look how murder has changed to manslaughter)...Bernard.


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